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Post by Cody Calafiore on Aug 20, 2014 9:04:14 GMT
At least I can leave with some class and dignity, and so can Keesha and Alex, since none of us threw temper tantrums when we didn't get our way.
Whether or not you were planning to go to the Final Four with us, I do not care since you showed everyone what kind of person you are and that's not someone I want to work with.
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Post by Alex Coladonato on Aug 20, 2014 14:15:37 GMT
Honestly Roddy you also told Kenny you were going to final 2 with him. Just cause you say you wanted to go to final 4 with us does not make us believe you really wanted final 4 with us. We believed you wanted Keesha final 2 for sure. But at that time I still was cool with Kenny, Topaz and Sabrina. They were not amazing deals at that time since Kenny was with Kaitlin and Sabrina/Topaz were with Keesha. But once again that's why it made perfect sense to target Keesha cause she had a lot of power at that time. You would have never been ok with us just putting her up and would have targeted us anyways most likely.
I do think Cody messed up since he kinda refused to ever target Kaitlin which in hindsight was just silly and I think he knows that now. All the evidence was there that she was never truly with him or on his side but he kinda refused to budge. But otherwise like I said putting you guys both on the block made sense. Our target however was Keesha during that moment but she had actually built up relationships with people where as like I said to you before you sucked at talking to people. After you left everyone flat out said you were awful at it. You being terrible at that cost you the game really cause otherwise Keesha would have left and you would have stayed.
You even yelled at me afterwards despite me being the only person to vote to keep you. Which made 0 sense to yell at me at that point since I was trying to keep you. And Cody can attest that I even said he should take you off the block and put up Kaitlin. However you apparently freaked out on him at that point so he did not see the need to.
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Post by Alex Coladonato on Aug 20, 2014 14:42:35 GMT
Here Roddy I will break down the game for you. I will say Cody fucked up by putting up Brendon over Kaitlin. I do believe he knows he fucked up. It reality it did kinda ruin our game. Cause she goes up and goes out. Me and Cody still have Angie/Brendon and can probably swing over Kenny now while still having you two. He messed up and Brendon a number left. Then Angie goes up on the block as expected in which you knew that me and him were trying to keep Angie and that I was willing to go on attack mode if she left. She ended up leaving and that was the game changing moment where me and Cody were on the bottom.
Keesha had yourself and Sabrina pretty much doing whatever she wanted. Then on top of that she was aligned with Kenny/Kaitlin/Topaz. She literally secured herself with everybody leaving me and Cody as the odd people out. We no longer had Topaz after the Angie vote and realized that. If we could not get rid of Keesha then getting rid of one of her pawns made sense. We both had better relationships with Sabrina so really that just left you to be put up. It was part of the game. We were trying to dig our ways out of the bottom. You can say HA it didn't work. But what we set out to do kinda did work. We wanted to hurt Keesha and took out one of her followers. We wanted me to get voted out so Cody can stay and win HoH and get out Keesha the following week to stir things up. Both of those things happened. It was a sad situation that Cody could not win his way out. But at that point he really was up against the entire house. We created chaos which is all we could really do once Angie left cause we were on the outs. Cody is right there is basically just floaters left except Kenny who I think has done well.
Also Cody is right you left soooo bitter. Atleast what I did was strategy and in the end once I was voted out I said sorry and tried to make my peace with people the best I could. You just went insane once being voted out. It was a game you got outplayed.
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Post by Roddy Mancuso on Aug 20, 2014 17:28:50 GMT
I got outplayed, by bad game players. You also couldn't be further from the truth, despite what people my have told you LOL. It's amusing. I had a lot of talks, and game talks with Sabrina and Kaitlin. Really, the only person I struggled to ever keep in touch with was Topaz, because her and my schedules never seemed to fall in sync. Kenny and I talked a lot at the beginning, but yes, we did kind of fall out of touch, when he stopped getting on AIM as well. Granted, I may not have built as strong of relationships with those people, as Keesha did; but my relationships were there nonetheless.
Actually, Sabrina was hoping she'd have been picked for veto that round, because she more than likely would've won, and she was going to pull Keesha off, and I'd have stayed against any of the other people.
Sure, Kenny was my original final two. Him and I made that deal on day one, but when it came to light that he was working with Kaitlin and Angie, I threw that idea out, and was ready to vote him out. It's called adapting your game.
I was no sheep or pawn to Keesha either, I played my own game. It's funny that you think you guys had Topaz in your back pocket, until Angie left; when Topaz didn't even vote to keep Angie in the game against Sabrina. That alone just proves how clueless the two of you really were.
Keesha and I had never actually came out and talked about taking each other to the final two, we just got along really well in the game. She was easily my favorite person to talk to the entire time, but since she'd never mentioned final two, to me; I assumed she was taking someone else given the option, and I would have done the same.
You can make as many excuses as you want to try and justify the poor decisions you and Cody made. The fact that your decisions pretty much lead to getting Keesha out, and forcing Cody to have to win out to make it to the end, pretty much prove how terrible of an idea you had. Your poor decisions also have lead to the fact there is nothing but floaters left in the game, so the two of you really have no reason to bitch and moan that those are the only people left in the game.
Like I said, my perfect final four was Cody, Alex, Keesha, and myself. That is what I was working toward. Had I gotten to the final four, with all three of you, I really wouldn't have cared how the game played out after that. I was well aware you thought I was going to take Keesha to the end. That's why I had no intention of ever winning a competition in the Final Four, with one exception. Had Keesha won HOH at Final Four, I'd have tried to win the veto, because if I was on the block with either you or Cody, I knew I'd have left. But, I also knew I'd built good enough relationships with both of you, that if Keesha and I were on the block together, you both would've evicted her. Then at Final Three, if it was Keesha, me, and one of you two left, I'd have purposely lost the final HOH, because I knew I was golden.
Sure, it didn't pan out for me, because you and Cody are idiots, and decided to suicide your own games at the Final 8, but until you guys lost your minds and decided to do that, my whole game was well on track the way I had planned it.
I will say one thing though, I do understand the logic behind it. I understand it was to get at, and take Keesha out of the game. But, the poorness in that decision came down to the fact, you too blinded in trying to take her out, that you didn't look at all the possible downsides from doing it. I will even go so far, as to say; had you nominated any other person, besides myself with her, it would have been a genius move. Like I said, I had decent relationships with the people left besides Topaz, but it wasn't near enough for me to jump into a secure alliance at the final seven, and you would've have still had me there, loyal to the both of you; because I didn't have anywhere else to turn.
You'll come to find out when confessionals are open and episodes are written, that you completely misjudged things. You will see that I had every intention of going as far as I could with the both of you, and that Kenny, Topaz, Sabrina, and Kaitlin were all expendable players in my opinion. When I make an alliance with someone in a game, I'm going to do everything in my power to help that person or those people out, all the way to the end. The only exception to this, is if I find out that they are working with my targets (Kenny with Angie).
This is starting to ramble on, but if you can sift through the little bit of ramble that there is, you'll see that the whole point is, you both made an extremely poor decision and made a terrible game move in doing what you did, and once the game ends, and we start seeing more of everything behind the scenes, it'll all come out to light, and you'll finally be able to realize it.
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Post by Angie Swindell on Aug 20, 2014 23:26:09 GMT
Jesus Christ, we're all out now anyway, so what does it matter?
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Post by Cody Calafiore on Aug 21, 2014 3:50:41 GMT
Basically what Alex said, don't need to state everything again. In hindsight, I should have put Kaitlin up at the Final Ten - I don't have any other regrets about what happened after that.
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Post by Keesha Smith on Aug 21, 2014 6:42:50 GMT
I never had Roddy wrapped around my finger, and we never were a final 2. We got along well and I wasn't going to evict him, but my final 2 was with Sabrina (it was originally Jee but he left.)
Alex, who told you about the alliance between myself/kaitlin/kenny/topaz?
Also, I didn't have Sabrina doing whatever I wanted. If that were the case, Cody would have been nominated at the final 9. She played her own game.
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Post by Roddy Mancuso on Aug 21, 2014 12:36:21 GMT
Glad you could clarify that Keesha. I don't care anymore, I just think it is amusing, that two guys suicided their games, under the misinformed guise that we had a Final 2, when I actually had both of their backs implicitly.
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Post by Cody Calafiore on Aug 21, 2014 13:18:24 GMT
In case you didn't get the memo Roddy, I would never want someone like you having my back.
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Post by Suzette Amaya on Aug 22, 2014 21:25:47 GMT
Week 10 Jury House DVD has been completed and we now have an all-female final three! Jurors, say hello to Kenny.
Kenny, please complete the survey in the first post whenever you have a chance and PM it to myself and Dan.
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Welcome!
Aug 22, 2014 22:46:01 GMT
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Post by Kenny Brain on Aug 22, 2014 22:46:01 GMT
Oh hai, Jury. I have a lot to say based on what I read but don't have time to say it now however I will say this.
I honestly do not believe that Sabrina deserves to win this. She said it herself several times that she has never voted in the majority for a vote. Maybe I Survivor I can reward a challenge beast but I really don't think she played the best game.
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Welcome!
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Post by Kenny Brain on Aug 22, 2014 22:49:47 GMT
Also, what's funny is that if Keesha never made he alliance of me, her Kaitlin and Topaz, she probably would still be in it. That brought the four of us together and because of that alliance, Topaz, Kaitlin and I bonded together to get out Keesha.
The game got weird after I had to campaign hard to get my F2 partner (Alex) evicted.
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Post by Roddy Mancuso on Aug 23, 2014 0:27:49 GMT
Sabrina voted in the majority at least once. She evicted me when I left
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Post by Cody Calafiore on Aug 23, 2014 4:57:51 GMT
Sorry to see you go, Kenny! I agree that Sabrina's game isn't exactly flawless and there are a lot of holes you can pick at it, but I'm just looking at the two other people sitting next to her, and for me the decision kinda makes itself if she gets to the end with one of those two.
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Post by Alex Coladonato on Aug 23, 2014 18:26:30 GMT
Kenny I was clearly rooting for you to win. While I do not think Sabrina played anywhere near a perfect game I still want her to make final 2 over the other 2. I would care to hear more of what she has to say. But lets me honest whoever wins the final HoH wins the game cause Kaitlin or Sabrina will take Topaz to the end. I believe we all know Topaz nowhere near deserves this.
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